tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post8203387128155682615..comments2024-03-22T02:15:56.280-07:00Comments on Jersey Jazzman: Shooting Themselves in the Foot: Teacher Certification and NYC Charter SchoolsDukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16535645107179796099noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-12703908901034952582017-07-13T09:54:48.111-07:002017-07-13T09:54:48.111-07:00CONTINUED FROM LAST POST:
RELAY PROPONENT, in ano...CONTINUED FROM LAST POST:<br /><br />RELAY PROPONENT, in another deleted COMMENT of his/hers, then incorrectly claims that Relay students attend Relay G.S.E. *"to earn their Master's Degrees."*<br /><br />Jeanne Kaplan's replies that Relay G.S.E. most certainly does NOT award accredited *"Master's Degrees."*<br /><br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br />JEANNE KAPLAN:<br /><br />" *'To earn their master's degrees...'* <br /><br />"Teachers (attending Relay G.S.E) cannot acquire a Master's Degree because the *'Relay Graduate School of Education'* is not a certified Graduate Program.<br /><br />"The (Relay G.S.E.) *'degree'* is bogus.<br /><br />"Students are being taught by unlicensed people."<br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br /><br />In another deleted comment (which I'm reconstructing, using inferences drawn from Jeanne Kaplan's reply to her ... sorry no exact quotes this time) RELAY PROPONENT replies to Kaplan's accurate statement --- Relay G.S.E. is not accredited, and thus can issue not legitimate "degreets" --- by saying that traditional teaching programs are all failures according to the data, and that research proves that Relay alone works with low income children. RELAY PROPONENT claimed that Kaplan has *"no research"* proving the efficacy of traditional teaching programs, and that any data that Kaplan could offer to the contrary comes from *"biased resources"*, again, according to RELAY PROPONENT.<br /><br />Again, from Kaplan's response, it can be inferred that, in making his/her point, "RELAY PROPONENT also called Kaplan names, and insulted Kaplan (again, no quotes, just reasonable inferences from what Kaplan replied ... I'd love to know exactly what "names" that RELAY PROPONENT called Kaplan... if you're reading this, Jeanne, please chime in.)<br /><br />At this point, Jeanne Kaplan simply ain't havin' it. <br /><br />Kaplan also wants to know if Relay is paying rent at the Denver public school building where it holds it courses:<br /><br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br />JEANNE KAPLAN: (to RELAY PROPONENT)<br /><br />"Who are you? <br /><br />"Identify yourself, at least. I could say the same about you. I could also call you names. That is the MO of most 'debates' in America today.<br /><br />" *'Biased resources.'* *Only you ignore data that shows repeated failure.*<br /><br />"As for no research --- I beg to differ. I have actually talked to people who have undergone the Relay (G.S.E.) indoctrination. Some have quit. Many have ended up<br />in great debt.<br /><br />"I ask again : is Relay paying rent?<br /><br />"And please don't take the chicken way out and not identify yourself. Transparency is another trait lost in *'education reform.'* "<br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br /><br />Relay Proponent didn't just *"take the chicken way out"* and not identify himself/herself. He/she deleted everything which he/she had earlier posted.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911854468188214107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-30374283825965925112017-07-13T09:54:23.792-07:002017-07-13T09:54:23.792-07:00CONTINUED FROM LAST POST:
First of all, in the CO...CONTINUED FROM LAST POST:<br /><br />First of all, in the COMMENTS section, this *"Relay Proponent"* kind of let some cats out of the bag with what he/she posted, then deleted everything that he or she posted (with quote remnants present in the Comments responding to him or her. I'm calling this poster *"Relay Proponent"* as her or she deleted her on-line handle along with his/her posts.)<br /><br />Check out this doozy (an actual quote) that includes Relay Proponent's claim that Relay pedagogy should only be used in poor communities, not in wealthy communities:<br /><br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br />RELAY PROPONENT:<br /><br />*"Kids from less affluent areas are typically raised in a much different household than those in affluent households. Moreover, those kids raised in affluent households in most cases need less teaching and structure and more flexibility.*<br /><br />*"If they're in an affluent family, they likely have educated parents, and are being afforded opportunities in their family life to learn.*<br /><br />*"Kids from impoverished areas? Not so much. They need structure in their classroom. They need to be reminded to track and listen to the teacher most likely.*<br /><br />*"They need a different type of teacher."*<br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br /><br />Oh boy, this got Relay critic CONCERNED EDUCATOR riled up:<br /><br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x <br />CONCERNED EDUCATOR:<br /><br />"I want to just point out that, by placing students of low socio-economic status in this light, you have highlighted a very important gap that we are perpetuating by allowing the language of Relay (G.S.E) to continue.<br /><br />"Yes, students who grow in homes with severe trauma need specific psychological structures and interventions in place, because their brains function differently, and have been altered by the toxic stress.<br /><br />"However, NOT ALL STUDENTS IN POVERTY HAVE GROWN UP IN TOXIC STRESS ENVIRONMENTS. Making this assumption lowers our expectations, and devalues those students. You are making assumptions that devalue children, and Relay perpetuates that. <br /><br />"We can value the culture of our students without assuming that culture is negative.<br /><br />"In addition, assuming that our impoverished children *'need'* a negative, controlling structure creates prison-like environments, where we do not teach critical thinking skills or self-awareness, but lock children into negative patterns of thought and behavior.<br /><br />"We also perpetuate the opportunity gap, because we are denying students the opportunity to have the education that wealthy white students have, simply by making the assumption that *'those students need structure.'*<br /><br />"ALL CHILDREN NEED STRUCTURE. ALL children also deserve the opportunity to have an education that prepares them to excel to their greatest potential, which does not mean treating them like prisoners.<br /><br />"Relay perpetuates this cycle of creating sub-par education for students, based on the excuse of *'those kids'* (always meaning children in poverty and non-white children) needing more *'structure'.* SOME students with trauma need more specific interventions, but ALL children deserve the chance to be a child."<br /> x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x<br /> <br />CONTINUED ON NEXT POST:<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911854468188214107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-16559300720282119762017-07-13T09:53:35.755-07:002017-07-13T09:53:35.755-07:00Low socio-economic kids *"need a different ty...Low socio-economic kids *"need a different type of teacher"*... i.e. a graduate of the Relay G.S.E. (Graduate School of Education)... according to one of Relay's proponents.<br /><br />Sometimes it is within an article's COMMENTS section that corporate ed. reformers reveal themselves *"not wisely but too well,"* to quote The Bard. <br /><br />(In one COMMENTS section, Dmitry Melhorn owned up to the fact that, yeah, we ARE, IN FACT, out to wipe out all traditional public schools .. something denied repeatedly by corporate reformers such as Secretary Devos, who instead lie their heads off and claim that they seek an idyllic *"family of schools"* --- private, traditional public, public charter --- all co-existing in peace and harmony. Yeah, right. You mean like they have in New Orleans?)<br /><br />For example, a Relay G.S.E. supporter got into it with Denver's Jeanne Kaplan --- and one other person calling himself "CONCERNED EDUCATOR" --- in the COMMENTS section of an article covering Relay's expansion into Denver. Alas, this Relay person deleted all of his/her COMMENTS before I arrived at the article and its COMMENTS section.<br /><br />This article included quotes from both Relay G.S.E. supporters and opponents:<br /><br />http://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/co/2016/09/13/new-teacher-training-favored-by-charters-comes-to-denver-as-critics-sound-off/<br /><br />CONTINUED ON NEXT POST:<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911854468188214107noreply@blogger.com