tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post5126639297273538642..comments2024-03-22T02:15:56.280-07:00Comments on Jersey Jazzman: The Tenure Boogeyman!Dukehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16535645107179796099noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-85936864856078987752012-06-10T10:22:35.506-07:002012-06-10T10:22:35.506-07:00It shouldn't be called "tenure" anyw...It shouldn't be called "tenure" anyway. What teachers have are the identical civil protections police and fire personnel have. "Tenure" is a term properly reserved for college and university personnel, public or private.OTE adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09259422705314063194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-60791586526272051792012-02-06T11:21:03.184-08:002012-02-06T11:21:03.184-08:00Teachers already do have individual contracts whic...Teachers already do have individual contracts which they have to sign. If the anti-tenure anon means that each teacher should go before the school board and or administrators to negotiate their individual contracts on their own, that would be stupid. One lone teacher trying to negotiate his/her contract on his/her own would be an exercise in folly when teachers have fought so many years for unions and fair bargaining rights. Contrary to right wing propaganda, the NJEA is not a criminal organization, it's a union and its main job is to represent teachers, within all the legal restrictions, obstructions and road bumps placed in its way. The local association does the actual contractual negotiating with the school board. This mad drive to get rid of tenure is just part of the right wing movement to kill off the union. Union busting is the real goal of the billionaire reformers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-6919432124701569022012-02-06T10:54:32.148-08:002012-02-06T10:54:32.148-08:00lol.....that's it? All the hundreds of hours y...lol.....that's it? All the hundreds of hours you have put in bashing reformers is because you sort of think they may want more reform than you in a grey area sense?<br /><br />Isn't putting forward a legislative bill with specific reforms, as opposed to "abolishment", give you a CLUE that we are talking reforms (like you?), and not "abolishment"?<br /><br />I think the word "tenure" should be abolished. I think teachers should have individual contracts, with mandated protections for themselves (crafted by the unions) and performance protection for kids and the schools and for the taxpayers. Maybe not every teacher wants the lifetime committment that currently binds a teacher to a school. Maybe they want five years or three years or ten years. As it approaches the end of the term they can reassess -- maybe their older husband can retire and move to Florida. Maybe they want to teach somewhere else, move near their kids, get away from the winter. <br /><br />Tenure is a life sentence, with no time off for bad behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-15266136997752599522012-02-06T10:35:06.555-08:002012-02-06T10:35:06.555-08:00@anon.... I'll tell you why. When you and your...@anon.... I'll tell you why. When you and your ilk use the term "reform" you use it as a precursor to abolishment. We are talking about a small percentage of the thousands of public school teachers in New Jersey and "reformers" call for a complete revamping of the system. Only when you talk among yourselves does anyone believe your ultimate goal is actual reform or helping kids.czarejshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089312317697283489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-4239702002320087332012-02-06T10:13:13.408-08:002012-02-06T10:13:13.408-08:00You ceaselessly mock the people and institutions w...You ceaselessly mock the people and institutions who want tenure reform, drawing little cartoons, etc.<br /><br />The you grudgingly admit sotto voce that tenure needs to be reformed.<br /><br />So why are these reformy types so childishly mocked by you, if you are the same side of the issue? You never mock them saying "these evil-money grubbing reformy a%%oles who want 4.5 years before tenure, unlike me, bringer of light and wisdom, who want 3.75".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-49608366760255607392012-02-05T20:44:49.449-08:002012-02-05T20:44:49.449-08:00czarejs, don't hold your breath - it's not...czarejs, don't hold your breath - it's not there.<br /><br />But it doesn't matter, because if I say we have a problem but that's it's being blown way out of proportion and can be easily solved, that makes me a hypocrite. Or something. It's confusing...Dukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16535645107179796099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-16383906292703155722012-02-05T15:34:10.997-08:002012-02-05T15:34:10.997-08:00@Anon......ahhh we're still waiting.@Anon......ahhh we're still waiting.czarejshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02089312317697283489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-91120676168554758362012-02-05T14:59:53.348-08:002012-02-05T14:59:53.348-08:00Find one post on this blog where I say tenure shou...Find one post on this blog where I say tenure shouldn't be improved. Just one.Dukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16535645107179796099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-19899965509260371482012-02-05T13:15:02.451-08:002012-02-05T13:15:02.451-08:00Which ones? The ones that say tenure needs to be r...Which ones? The ones that say tenure needs to be reformed, or the ones that say it doesn't?<br /><br />I think it is kind of a stacked deck arguing agaisnt someone on both sides of the debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-51968518439193848862012-02-05T12:05:10.417-08:002012-02-05T12:05:10.417-08:00Anon: let's say you are absolutely right, and ...Anon: let's say you are absolutely right, and I am a "screaming" hypocrite:<br /><br />Does that change any of the arguments I've made?Dukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16535645107179796099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-9675112432312508152012-02-05T10:44:18.878-08:002012-02-05T10:44:18.878-08:00Jazzman....see....you have all these cute cartoons...Jazzman....see....you have all these cute cartoons, and give screaming defense of tenure (not giving an inch, as the NJEA did for years) and suddenly:<br /><br />"That's not to say tenure shouldn't be fixed,..."<br /><br />You are much like the NJEA (to state the obvious). Years of a Masada defense....suddenly....NJEA reform bills! Tenure needs reform! Merit pay sounds good! Teacher evaluations, let's get on board!<br /><br />Can you see why, despite you're compelling cartoons, people find you and the NJEA hypocritical? Maybe the cartoons put you right where you should be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9025948832913694345.post-9624284041590665512012-02-05T09:32:48.615-08:002012-02-05T09:32:48.615-08:00Thank you! Of course nobody wants to get serious a...Thank you! Of course nobody wants to get serious about the real problems in the cities. Solving those problems takes real money, and the ability to actually give a crap about the less fortunate. Something conservatives don't/can't do. <br /><br />So, not to toot my own horn, but a special ed teacher in the city like myself will end up on the chopping block while some brain dead ninnny taking up space with good test scores in a suburban school will keep theirs. I always say that my suburban classes had great scores in spite of me, not because of me. I'm 10 times the teacher I was. In the city you have to be just to survive. (not disparaging suburban teachers, all the ones I worked with were AWESOME. We had a great principal who made sure of that.)Teacher Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17023044658046241555noreply@blogger.com